Trailing loss limit is a great option for people who can’t watch their stocks. The problem I have run into is which to choose, percent or a base dollar amount. I love percents when it come to profit, but is it really the best option for a loss?
Example:
You buy a stock at $10 with a trailing loss limit of 10%. The loss limit would be $1.
Let’s say the stock makes a move:
$12 – loss limit of $1.2 or $10.80 : Profit of $.80.
$15 – loss limit of $1.5 or $13.50 : Profit of $3.50.
Now let’s look at the dollar limit:
$10 with a trailing loss of $1.
$12 – loss limit of $1 or $11.00 : Profit of $1.
$15 – loss limit of $1 or $14.0 : Profit of $4.
The numbers are convincing. I can speak from experience that the percent can bite into your profits quicker than the dollar amount. The biggest drawback of the percent is that it gets bigger as your profits grow.
Good automation should never limit or sacrifice your capital and profits.
I know everyone has lost money in the stock market due to the recession, but this is the best time to get started. The news has calmed down and found other things to blast us about. Companies appear to have stabilized, unemployment is starting to ease (or at least not making a sky dive into the metaphorical ground). The best part of this is that once things turn around, they go up. Up is good! Getting in the market now means you are getting in the ground floor. Remember the oft and over used saying, “Buy low, sell high”. Its low, time to buy.
Get in and get started. Learn the ropes and make some money. And of course, check back here or subscribe to the RSS for more articles and tips!
Every Christmas and birthday my kids get many presents. A few weeks later the presents are mostly forgotten or broken. Such a waste! I started brainstorming ideas that could cut down on the clutter and be a long term benefit for them. I considered savings accounts, bonds, cds and the cookie jar. Stocks was the winner!
Here are my reasons for picking stocks:
1. High dividend stocks make money for them.
2. Stocks splits give them more stocks.
3. My teen thinks its cool to have a stock portfolio (my youngest,8, doesn’t care right now).
4. I pick stocks of products that they like. In our case, they get 4 McDonald’s stock a year.
5. If you aren’t into picking stocks, go with an index fund.
Four a year? That’s not much!
True, but take the case of my 8 year old. He will have 40 shares when he turns 18, plus the dividend that gets paid. It doesn’t take long for the stocks to accumulate enough dividend to start buying more stocks. Keep reinvesting the dividend, it adds up!
Risk
I know that the market will go up and down. This is a long term investment for them. I’m not taking too much risk
What about fees?
I use Sharebuilder for my kid’s portfolio. Their service is a bit odd in that you get a $4 fee when you buy on Tuesday (and only on Tuesday), other days it’s $12. Since my kids only buy twice a year and aren’t gaming the market it works out best for them. They also allow custodian accounts which is what you will need.
Action time:
1. Decid how much to buy.
2. Sign up for a service like Sharebuilder.
3. Open a custodian account in your child’s name.
4. Deposit the money.
5. Buy!
If your kids keep the investment going, they could potentially have a million when they retire. Like I said earlier, this is a long term benefit for them!
If you are new to this site you may want to start with part 1 of this series. If you are a returning reader, Welcome Back!
By now you should have created a plan to save money for investing and have several goals in mind. Today it’s time to consider what style of trading you will need to reach your goals.
Long Term Goals (10+ years)
For big long term goals like purchasing a home, you will need a long term investing strategy. Invest in value stocks or any investment that pays a dividend.
Strategies include:
⁃ Dividend paying stocks – usually Big Cap stocks
⁃ Value Investing
⁃ ETF’s
⁃ Mutual Funds
⁃ Index Funds
It’s best to reinvest any dividends paid. Remember, you want less risk with these goals.
Intermediate Goals (5-10 years)
These are goals such as luxury vacations (Paris, Kentucky* in spring?), luxury car**, or any big ticket “want”. The item tends to have the word luxury associated with it.
Strategies include:
⁃ Value stocks
⁃ Small-Cap
⁃ Growth Stocks
Look for companies that are growing their business or good companies whose stocks are undervalued. Your goal is to create a portfolio of stocks you can cash in for a nice profit in the next 5-10 years. You’ll take on more risk for greater reward.
Short Term Goals (1 day – 5 years)
Short term trading is the riskiest, but with the high risk comes a larger reward. Your goal in short term trading is to buy and sell in a short period. You may keep a stock a day or over a year depending on your strategy.
Strategies include:
⁃ Day Trading
⁃ Swing Trading
⁃ Value Stocks
⁃ Penny Stocks
⁃ and many more…
BIG WARNING: SOME OF THESE STRATEGIES WILL LOSE MONEY. Short term trading is VERY risky!
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* Yes, there is a Paris, Kentucky. Fun fact, the first winery in the United States was in Kentucky. Oddly, it’s not related to Paris, Ky.
** or pickup if that is your thing
$50 a month seems a bit extreme and I’m going to make it even more so. You can do this even if you make minimum wage! It’s true dear investor, keep reading!
I took the dive in early 2008 and started investing. I will admit I almost drowned a few times and the Wall Street sharks took a huge bite out of me, but I kept swimming. If you don’t have a small fortune or a sickly rich relative that has you in their will (Not counting the emails about the unknown rich relative in some unknown country), you’ll need to start out small.
How much do you need? It comes down to what you can afford. Can you take 5% of your monthly income and not miss it?
Example:
Minimum wage is $7.25
If you work 40 hours, you make roughly $1,100 a month. Of course dear Uncle Sam gets a cut and there are always the living taxes (state, local, school, road, oxygen, and just being alive taxes). So for example purposes, let’s say you are lucky and make $900 a month (did I say lucky?).
5% of $900 is (drum roll please) $45. For this example, we are going to round up to $50.
Now that you have committed (or need to be) this money to investing, here is the hard part (at least for me). Don’t spend it. Put it in a saving account or hide it in a jar (I did).
Tip: How to save money without knowing you are saving? Start a free checking account or savings account. Create an automatic deposit from your checking account in to this new account on the day you get paid (most online banking can do this). Don’t touch the money and don’t track it. You are hiding this secret money from you and everyone else. It’ll be there when you really need it.
In 10 months you are ready to go. It seems to be a long time, but trust me it can go by fast. To help it along, stick any extra money you acquire in the account/jar. Every little bit helps. Don’t worry if you take the whole 10 months, there are still plenty of things left to do. Like:
* Educating yourself on the stock market (subscribe to my rss and check back often)
* Choosing your strategy (What a coincidence, that’s a future post!)
* Deciding how much time you need/want to spend (you guessed it, there is a post for that too!)
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I have found that by creating an end goal keeps investing interesting and fun. Your goal could be a vacation, new big TV, pay off or buy a car, or some new expensive item. Having a purpose as to why you invest will help you stay focused. I have found without the end goal I start to lose interest in my portfolio. I would recommend leaving “filthy rich”* off the list, it’s too generic. Make your goal specific and give yourself a reasonable deadline. This tip works best for short term investing, for long term investing make your goal a specific number.
My goal is to pay off my family’s van with my short term stock portfolio.
* I have met a rich person and I have met a filthy person, but I have yet to meet a filthy rich person.
A big mistake I made starting out was the idea to not sell. Several books and talking heads on TV said “Don’t sell!” My question for them was always the same, “Why not? Isn’t that how I make a profit?” Fortunately, the TV never spoke back to me.
Yes Virginia, its ok to sell your stocks.
Sell for only two reasons:
1. Take a profit
2. Limit a loss
Unless you have invested in a stock that pays a dividend, the only way to make money from your portfolio is to sell. It took me almost a year to figure that one out (duh!). If the stock is at a point where you are happy with the profit, don’t worry about the “what if”. Buy it again later and make more money. There is no reason you can’t re-buy a stock.
What about the commission?
There is no such thing as a free lunch. You have to pay a commission to both buy and sell. I’ve always made the commission part of my bought price. If the stock was $15 and I bought 100 shares, it cost me:
$1,500 + $14 ($7 buy + $7 sell) = $1,514
Divide that back to the individual stock price ($1,514/100) and I paid $15.14 (that’s my break even number, more about that later) for the stock. Now if the stock goes to $16.15 and I sell, that’s 10% profit ($100). It’s ok to laugh at my small numbers, I’m just a part-part time trader.
What about taxes?
Depending on how long you keep your stock determines how much taxes you pay. When I started out I was worried about paying the taxes. I read in the vast investing books that I collect, you were supposed to keep the stock for a year + 1 day. Bull crap! Really! If I can take a profit ($100, $1,000, $10,000), I’m taking a profit! Dear Uncle Sam is going to always get a cut, why jeopardize MY profit worrying about his cut.
Limit your loss
The stock market can go down, down ,down! And sometimes it can go down, down, down really fast. Limit your loss. Don’t let the sinking ship drown your hard earned money. Just like taking a profit, you can always re-buy later. Keep in mind there is a catch to re-buying on a loss. The IRS will not allow you to offset your gains with your losses if you re-buy a stock in a certain period of time (confusing, yes, more on it later as I figure it out!).
I don’t normally trade stocks under $10 (I have and I’ve made money). The lure of catching that next great stock that rockets from single to double (or even triple!!) digits can be so alluring. So, I finally broke down and subscribed to Investor’s Business Daily’s “Top-Rated Stocks Under $10”. I’m hoping this service will help me pick good under $10 stocks. My opinion of stock suggesting services is simple: Make me money and I’ll keep subscribing.
Here is my strategy so far:
1. Small amounts
No more than 25% of my cash in one stock. This will limit my risk.
2. Diversify
No two stocks in the same sector. Diversification is always a good option. This will hopefully keep me from being killed by any bad news for one sector.
3. High Relative Strength (RS)
4. Positive EPS
For annual and next /last quarters. I’m picky about investing in profitable companies.
5. Volume %
I want to see activity on the stock. That may be a good sign of a break out and PROFIT!
6. Simple Moving Average going up
Never invest in a sinking ship.
As I try out this new strategy, I’ll make changes as needed. My goal is to have a strong under $10 strategy that I can use to help increase my portfolio.
Like all valuable lessons, this one cost me money. I did my research and bought my stock. This was the one (aren’t they all). I set my alerts to notify me if it dropped below 5% of my buy point. I even went as far as to set an automated Sell Limit to take profits when the stock would hit (because I knew it would!).
All was well, except!
Meanwhile at my day job (I don’t trade professionally), I was in a meeting and my cell phone was going nuts (I was losing money). I couldn’t leave, I couldn’t sell, I was stuck. Once I got back to my computer, I sold the stock for (yikes!) an 8% loss instead of the 5% that I originally planned (just in case). Moral of the story, I need to set automated Stop Loss and Sell Limits to both protect and profit.
Another reason to automate is to protect from the greed voice. That little voice that whispers, “What if it goes higher?” or “It’ll go back up, really!”. It’s rarely right.
I learned my lesson and hopefully you too won’t make my mistake.
This is a horror story of making and losing money in one hour. One hour!
I bought my stock, set my alerts for my sell price and my loss price (not all are winners and I’m ready to cut my losses after a certain point). Cell phone was charged and ready. The stock was bought on Monday and I knew (yes KNEW!) it would hit my sell point within a few days. I was right. It hit the next day. My cell was buzzing with anticipation of profit! It sang and cheered! It vibrated all over my desk, SELL SELL SELL!
I didn’t sell. No I wasn’t breaking my rules for greed. I didn’t know. I didn’t have my cell phone with me. An hour later, I picked up my cell phone to see the alert! Yes! Profit!
No!!! The price had dropped to just above my loss sell point. The stock peaked where I expected it too (sometimes I get it right). So, the profit that I was expecting turned to a loss and the stock kept dropping. Fortunately, I kept with my rules and sold at the loss limit.
If you are like me and can’t monitor your stocks at the pace that they change, learn from my mistake. Keep your cell phone with you when you expect an alert and always set a Sell Limit. It’s the difference between profit and loss.
Tip:
Set to automatically sell at your expected sell point. No emotions and you get to walk away with the profits without the worry.
